SPAM-LOW: Re: [thelist] Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Common Practice vs Standards

dwain dwain at
Tue Jan 25 20:25:46 CST 2005

Ken Schaefer wrote:

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>: Getting Microsoft to adjust to standards, as opposed to the other way
>: around, would be like pulling teeth. Painful at best.
>Microsoft already implements (and helps develop) large numbers of standards.
>So I assume we're talking about HTML-related standards here? I think you'll
>see that things will change in the next major releases of their products.
>There's been a few hints from the IE team (and plenty of feedback to them)
>that they should have better standards support, and on the other side (HTML
>generation), tools like VS.NET and ASP.NET itself will start generating
>compliant (X)HTML and CSS (so their browser would need to work with that).
yes, i'm speaking of html standards.  i ran through the html 
validator and the page didn't validate -- they didn't even have a 
doctype on the page.  how can that be?

how long has the w3c been in existence?  before ie6?  5.5?  5.0?  how 
long has the w3c and others been after ms to develop a web browser that 
would render pages like other browsers that held a standard?  how long 
has ms ignored the plea?  i hope that in longhorn that the next 
generation of web browser will be more web standards compliant; and it 
would be nice if they would retrofit earlier browsers from 5.0+ to w3c 

i'm not very passionate about too many things, but i'm tired of hacking 
my pages.  i'm all but to the point that if my pages don't render in ie, 
i'll do what ie sites do and put a notice that "this site is not 
internet explorer compatible, you will need to download and install 
mozilla or firefox to properly view this site."  yeah, i know, that's 
crazy, but it might start something and move software developers for web 
products to take notice and make the necessary changes; maybe not in my 
life time, but maybe.


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