[thelist] Re: Metatags - we are not ranked anywhere in the search

Sylvia Braunstein sylvia.braunstein at gmail.com
Thu Feb 24 09:41:14 CST 2005


Wow, thanks, this has been incredibly helpful to me too.

Thanks to all.

Sylvia


On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:41:45 +0100 (CET), Chris Heilmann
<lists at onlinetools.org> wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> >    This thread has been very helpful to me, since SEO is a topic I never
> > feel I have a good enough handle on. I hope it has been helpful to
> > Sylvia, too.
> >
> >    I have a follow-up question. Understanding the importance of a
> > well-coded site, clean structure, and so on, I am supposing that frames
> > are also a no-no, since they split the single visual presentation into
> > separate component pages, each of which probably does not present the
> > entire context, have a title, etc. However, I haven't seen this
> > explicitly said in the several resources I've looked at from those some
> > of you have suggested. I have a friend who asked me a while back about
> > SEO, and I referred him to what I knew (including this list), but I
> > think his site is using some frames. So if those are working against him
> > in search engines, I want to tell him that. Are they?
> 
> Yes, although you can work around that by adding a good text and links to
> all the sub pages in the <noframes> part of your frameset. Then you have
> the problem that _users_ who cannot deal with frames will follow these
> links and not get a frameset around them.
> 
> Bottom line is that a good document for a search engine is like a good
> document for screen readers or text browsers - one document with links
> that can be followed and that has a proper structure.
> 
> There is quite a cool simulator of how google would "see" your site here:
> http://www.gritechnologies.com/tools/spider.go
> 
> ppk for example uses a frameset for his great resource
> http://www.quirksmode.org/ and he has reasons
> (http://www.quirksmode.org/about/frames.html) for it. However, it does
> stop google short:
> http://www.gritechnologies.com/tools/spider.go?q=www.quirksmode.org
> The homepage itself has a lot more links to follow:
> http://www.gritechnologies.com/tools/spider.go?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quirksmode.org%2Fhome.shtml
> 
> That he is still easy to be found in google is due to the great content
> and a lot of people linking to the site.
> 
> This is something to ponder :-)
> 
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