Using CSS, I've coded 2 pages for pull down menus -- one using <div> tags (http://www.kingestate.com/newdesign/Domaine/Estate/Gardens.htm)and the other using <li> (http://www.kingestate.com/newdesign/example.htm - which is one you guys recently tested) Using www.browsercam.com/ it seems the page using <div> shows up correctly in Opera -- while the <li> doesn't (the mouseovers don't work and the subnav shows up below the navigation, or doesn't show up at all). Is Opera such a minor player problems like this can be ignored? And if not, why are most pull-down menus coded using <li> instead of <div>? Are there problems using <div>'s like this? Rachell Coe Webmaster King Estate Winery 541-942-9874 Ext: 136 http://www.kingestate.com