[thelist] recommendations for windows based listserve software

[Theodore Serbinski]

Guys,

Need some help here. Have two clients requiring basic listserve 
functionality, one for mainly email discussions with a very small user 
group, that wants emails archived. The other a much larger, circa 5000 
users, that requires mass emailings and more customized features.

Have looked at Lsoft <http://www.lsoft.com/> and that has been quite a pain 
to customized. Templates are a mess, very much a pain, but still got it 
working.

About to look at Lyris <http://www.lyris.com/index.html?s=hdr> appears to 
possibly be better.

Anyone have any other recommendations? Needs to run on Windows, thanks!

ted