thanks for the earlier help with placing a svg image into the html and have it validate. i would like to know how to use a svg image as a background image. i have tried to figure it out myself, but to no avail. of course, it must pass the w3c validator. i would appreciate a link to a solution or a solution from a member of the list. dwain -- Dwain Alford dwain at alforddesigngroup.com http://www.alforddesigngroup.com "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Wassily Kandinsky, "Concerning The Spiritual In Art"