Thanks Ben, floating like that gave me some great ideas and I was able to fix the layout perfectly. Cheers! ted <tip> Want to see what you website looks in browsers and at different resolutions? Check out this great, new free service: http://browsershots.org/ </tip> On 8/23/05, ben morrison <morrison.ben at gmail.com> wrote: > > any ideas? i know min-height is the easy answer approach but wondering > > if there is maybe a better way to layout the page? i particulary like > > the use of negative margins so the main content comes first then the > > menus in the code. > > You can still order your source content first using combinations of > floats without neg margins.