First, I want to apologize for posting a bunch of JS and CSS code previously w/o a link. I can see how it would be useless, and I was tired, frustrated and not thinking clearly :-) I am sure we have already been there. Secondly, still frustrated with IE, as I haven't figured out the problem yet. A URL of a page with suckerfish menu code is. http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/About.php (top menu) the CSS is at : http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/CSS/primary.css JS being used for IE is at http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/JS/nav_menu.js lastly, even though it works in FF, I wanted to add borders below my sublinks (the ones in blue) and get them left justified, but haven't been able to do that either! -- ::Bruce::