On 11/14/05, Norman Bunn <norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com> wrote: > I am trying to layout my first fully CSS site using ideas gleaned from > Cederholm's excellent book, Bulletproof Web Design. However, I am > running into problems with the header this page displaying as desired: > > http://craftedsolutions.com/FMCN/template2.html > > In FF, the navigation shows up where expected, but the background color > is white, not the darker shade of blue I want You have a couple things going on there. Your padding on the nav was over 300px to the left, which explains why it was getting kicked down below the logos (it was too wide to stay on the same horizontal). Change that to 0. Remove the 3px white border on the #nav. It's not where you think it is, because of the floats. Add your background color to #wrap. -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.