I have worked with vendors in India off and on for about six years, and I would generally agree with Peter. I wouldn't go there. It's never really worked out for me, though I've done it sometimes for strategic reasons when they have turned around and hired me to help consult with their processes, etc. If you decide to go the route of hiring programmers in India, I would be happy to forward to you the contact information of the most reliable contact I have found there. He's not a programmer himself but he lived and worked in Chicago a few years, he has extensive experience working with and for Americans, he has many resources in India and can help you get the job done better than anybody else I've found over the years. That said, I would still suggest you contract the work within North America. ________________________________ Shane Miller President Call Centers 24x7 116 West Eighth Street Port Angeles, WA 98362 T 360.452.4527 F 360.452.5399 http://www.callcenters24x7.com Helping Small Businesses Compete Globally -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Peter Brunone (EasyListBox.com) Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:07 AM To: hershelr at netvision.net.il; thelist at lists.evolt.org; thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Outsourcing If I were you, his savings due to outsourcing would be soaked up by my exorbitant fee which would be necessary to make it worth my while to deal with that situation. But then again I've heard all the bad stories -- seen the results of a few as well) --and few of the good. Time zones wouldn't be a problem for you, but communication... well, that's another story. Cheers, Peter From: Hershel Robinson hershelr at netvision.net.il I was approached by a potential client last week. He has a medium sized web app which has undergone such patching over the years that he is ready for a rebuild from scratch. He is working on the proposal now. His plan is to outsource the actual programming to cheap programmers in India or the former Soviet Union from one of the various websites offering such services. He told me that his research indicates that "if you do your due diligence there are some very reliable programmers." He is looking to build in PHP/MySQL using an MVC pattern. He is looking to hire me (or someone like me) to be a technical manager to oversee the outsourced programmers and to understand the code and to be able to arrange a transfer to a different outsource firm in the middle should things go sour and also to be able to work within the code after the build is done, for further changes etc. What do people think about his idea of outsourcing? I wonder about the quality of the code which will be produced. The quality of the backend code, how true it will be to an MVC pattern, the quality of the produced frontend code, how valid (HTML and CSS) it will be, will it use CSS layout or even CSS for appropriate formatting. Even if we require all these things from the programmers, what will be the quality of the code itself and therefore how easy it will be to continue to work in it? I have not given a final answer to this client and were I to present a strong case, he might be open to changing his plans. I myself am not convinced either way. It could well be that either the code will not be bad, or that it won't be really bad, yet it's still worth the savings he realizes by outsourcing. Anyone have any experience to share? Thanks, Hershel -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !