Doublecheck whether your copy of Internet Explorer is keeping the cached version of that SWF for longer than you expect... that has turned out to be the mystery difference with similar descriptions in the past. (I'd offer a link but I don't know of a good summary of the ways that various browsers actually act with caching.) jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks.