On 12/11/06, Barney Carroll <barney at textmatters.com> wrote: > Joel D Canfield wrote: > > picture me, standing in front of an audience speaking. "Our first item > > is blah. Our third item is blah blah blah. There was no second item." > > But if the purpose of the number following 'h' is to denote sequence, > then am I doubly flawed in having 5 '2nd' items? It is clearly not sequence. I think Joel just made a poor example and indeed was trying to convey depth rather than sequence. > If that document were to be a speech, I would deliver my h1 with a > marked pause afterwards - it would also be my first utterance except for > maybe a personal introduction. My introduction would be in the same key > as all the actual nitty gritty. "However I would like to draw your > attention to... The Document Object Model" - this would be said with > some emphasis, but no way near as much as the h2 to follow, which is > clearly separate from the introduction. It makes absolute sense, too. This is all presentation. It has nothing to do with the document structure, only how you're deciding to deliver it. > Lists? Bulleted lists should never contain that much free prose. There > is a distinct header and two separate phrases beneath. Impossible with > ul and ol - possible but incorrect (I believe) with dds - that would be > unanimously non-semantic to the core. Bullets are again entirely presentational. You use lists when you have a list of things, regardless of whether you believe it makes "sense" to show a bullet next to it. If I want to present a list of the 10 best paragraphs ever written, this would be an ordered list. I would probably hide the bullet, but that is presentation decision. H1-H6 indicate depth in a document. Saying you can skip a header is akin to saying you can do this: 1 Sandwiches 1._.1 Introductory point 1 1._.2 Introductory point 2 1.2 Burgers 1.2.1 Cheeseburgers are... 1.2.2 Hamburgers are... 1.3 Subs ... What the heck is 1._.1?! There is a 1.1. If you choose to hide it, that is a presentation decision. -- Matt Warden Cleveland, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.