[thelist] insulting list members WAS format for video?

[Ben Joyce]

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On 2/8/07, Steven Streight <steven.streight at gmail.com> wrote:
> Marc S. Why are you attacking me? Is this your idea of a discussion list? To
> just state an opinion, or answer a question, then allow everyone or anyone
> to pounce on it and tear it to shreds?
>
> Somebody wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?
>
> I provide input on a question. Someone takes issue with what I say. I reply.
> That's called conversation, debate, search for truth, quest for deeper
> understanding.
>
> To insult a colleague by calling his opinion or expertise "mumbo jumbo" and
> to claim I am trying to imitate a famous business writer is calling the
> person a "wannabe" or wanker or worse.
>
> A sour hateful attitude toward "marketing". Ah well I hate most ads,
> commercials, marketing, and PR myself, so we are on the same page.
>
> Marketing BTW is not "waging war on wallets". In its best sense, it is
> proclaiming the solution to a problem to people who have a problem you can
> solve. But I have never marketed commodity goods, laundry soap, automobiles,
> toothpaste, so I don't know what that crowd is smoking.
>
> And a parody of a corporate fluff BS commercial is welcome in my world. If
> your client is greedy and has a crap product, I'd say that is Business
> Karma.
>
> Thanks for being so passionate about my feeble attempts to explore topics of
> interest here. I get a lot of List subscribers, well a few anyway, who say
> they enjoy the debates sparked by my comments.
>
> On 2/8/07, Marc S. <webdevpost at delime.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ya ya ya. This is more marketing mumbo jumbo than gets spewed out
> > during the superbowl.
> >
> > Steven, you're a marketing guy. Your BUSINESS is selling people on
> > things. Even when they don't want them. No... ESPECIALLY when they
> > don't want them.
> >
> > We all recognise that you're passionate about blogging and the
> > concomitant mumbo jumbo but don't you think throwing around fancy Seth
> > Godinesque phrases is coming on a bit strong considering your
> > audience? Especially considering that you. are. not. Seth. Godin.
> >
> > Viral marketing and happy buzzwords aside, how do you think the
> > original client is going to react when one of her competitors, or even
> > marginally unhappy customers, happens across the video and makes a
> > spoof of it with her wearing devil horns or reciting dirty poetry?
> >
> > Who's ass do you think is going to be on the line for recommending
> > YouTube in the first place?
> >
> > But since you seem so taken with cliches, here are a couple of mine.
> > Apologies if they're not as Web 2.0 as yours:
> >
> > There are no absolutes. Not even about the one right place to put your
> > video.
> >
> > There is a time and place for everything. Even YouTube.
> >
> > Everything in moderation. Even viral marketing. Before you get us all
> > sick.
> >
> > And just how old are you anyways if your Grandpa was on the Internet?
> >
> > On 2/6/07, Steven Streight <steven.streight at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The new web of wikinomics, crowdsourcing, and Net Gen swarming does not
> > look
> > > like Grandpa's internet to me.
> > >
> > > The old internet was a library.
> > >
> > > The new internet is a party.
> > >
> > > The old internet you just looked at and read and moved on, played a game
> > > perhaps.
> > >
> > > The new internet is doing what the old internet dreamed of doing.
> > >
> > > The new internet is about interactivity, customers dictating demands to
> > > companies and customers fleeing those who ignore or resist their
> > demands.
> > >
> > > The new internet is universal content utopia, global democracy, open
> > source
> > > government, consumers advising each other and deleting all interruptive
> > > marketing.
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