Paul Bennett wrote: > Given that, in your opinion, CF is "unassailable" in terms of 'speed of development' and 'learning curve' (which were the metrics you referred to) and not a dying language (as is my opinion) I'd like to see some proof of the "unassailability" of CF compared to other industry standard server-side languages. Well... go ahead, try to assail it.... ;-) > In the same message, you made this statement: >> "Anything given away (PHP, ASP) take the prize in initial capitalization costs, although they'd get more expensive when also looking at total >> ongoing costs." > > Given that the software is free compared to the $1,300 USD (standard) or $6,000 USD (enterprise) cost for CF MX server that's quite a claim. Say you value your work at $25/hour... at that rate, you start seeing benefits from higher-level, less procedural work after fifty hours. (Granted, that's not exact, because you'll have different levels of productivity at different stages of the different learning curves, but a workweek or two, that's consonant with what people who use ColdFusion attest.) jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks.