[thelist] client works sheets - good or bad or just
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java_fella at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 7 07:50:59 CDT 2007
Client worksheets work really well when the client needs to
fully understand what they are getting into.
You do this to:
1) Set expectations about the budget and scope of work
2) Make them understand that certain projects will require work
on their opart for data, content, banking requirements and so
forth.
That being said, if you buy an off the shelf questionaire that
asks them about generics like "how they feel about red" ... or
simply hit them with a daunting 150 question piece of homework -
it is not going to be well received.
A small business owner (under 5 million) is going to be too busy
for that much homework.
We worked up our 2 main docs to put in front of clients from
Proposal Kit's - http://www.proposalkit.com/info.htm
Most of our salesfolk use the questionaire while working with
the client to ensure our development teams get everything they
need. In some cases, we will give it to the client ... but this
is usually those larger-organizational-love-meetings typ[e that
will chew on that "make work' doc for a month before you see it
back. :)
The document we seem to live and die by is our ecommerce
questionaire & worksheets that cover everything from what the
tax tables need to be - to various shipping options for a
store... all of which rob you time & money if you cannot get a
concrete answer out of a client and have to scramble to program
these later.
As for the Time & Materials & Fixed contracts - making the
client spell it out helps you with those change requests you can
bill for later on because it shifts the decision making to them.
Anyway, 5:30am 2 cents...
-JF
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:04:54 +0100
> From: "Alex Beston" <alex.beston at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] client works sheets - good or bad or
> just
> homogeneity?
> To: "Martin Burns" <martin at easyweb.co.uk>,
> "thelist at lists.evolt.org"
> <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
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> Martin
>
> > Which means either:
> > 1) A Time & Materials contract, [...]
> > 2) A Fixed Price contract, [...]
>
> A-ha! I didnt know about these different contracts - but good
> to know
> - thanks for the pointer.
>
> > In either case, you need a client with the maturity to
> understand that
> > changes cost money. [... ] an *early* task in the
> relationship.
>
> Sure. Where did you find out about this stuff? Did you do
> contract law
> or do you just know it in your bones & so know where to start
> searching?
>
> cheers,
> A.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:33:17 -0400
> From: "Matt Warden" <mwarden at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] client works sheets - good or bad or
> just
> homogeneity?
> To: alex.beston at gmail.com, "thelist at lists.evolt.org"
> <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
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> On 8/5/07, Alex Beston <alex.beston at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sure. Where did you find out about this stuff? Did you do
> contract law
> > or do you just know it in your bones & so know where to
> start
> > searching?
>
> Martin has a lot of experience consulting on CRM projects with
> one of
> the bigger consulting companies. I think it's one of those
> things you
> either have experience with or you don't; although I guess
> theoretically you could read up on complex sales processes or
> something. I think it would be difficult to fit all the pieces
> together without actually being involved in the process,
> though.
>
> --
> Matt Warden
> Cincinnati, OH, USA
> http://mattwarden.com
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> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:44:28 -0400
> From: "Matt Warden" <mwarden at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] OO JS, CSS typography, and a request to
> present
> To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
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> On 8/2/07, Charles <lists07 at wiltgen.net> wrote:
> > >> That's not true with IE7. For IE6, my
> not-very-accommodating
> > >> feeling is that people who need this feature are already
> using
> > >> a better browser.
> > >
> > > I agree with you, but you have to understand that not
> everyone is
> > > able to/can /upgrade/knows how to/install IE7 and its
> still BEST
> > > practice to use a relative (non px) unit for now....
> >
> > Pixels ARE relative (see the URL in my previous post), which
> I believe makes
> > them technically no better or worse to use than other
> relative units.
>
> Everything's relative, eh?
>
> The question is: relative to WHAT. Ems are relative to the
> font size.
> Pixels are not. When someone says "ems are relative, pixels
> are not",
> they are talking about being relative to font size.
>
> --
> Matt Warden
> Cincinnati, OH, USA
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:26:21 -0400
> From: Felix Miata <mrmazda at ij.net>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] OO JS, CSS typography, and a request to
> present
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