I thought I was making progress down a completely different path. This words as expected in FF and IE7: http://www.goldenstateoutdoorsman.com/gso/index3.asp IE6, the hover state works on the 'Forums' link, but the submenus don't show up. I've bashed my head against all kinds of position:static and z-index fixes and ain't gettin' nowhere. joel -- Joel D Canfield Book at BizBa6.com 916.771.9297 office 916.765.1712 cell http://BizBa6.com/ <http://bizba6.com/>