[thelist] Kevin Kelly on the future of the cloud

Erika ekm at seastorm.com
Thu Dec 11 12:02:05 CST 2008

Matt Warden wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Erika <ekm at seastorm.com> wrote:
>> Wired founder Kevin Kelly has been giving talks on where he sees the web
>> going over the next several years.
>> http://blip.tv/file/1441210/
> I wonder if the flying cars we're getting by the year 2000 will be
> connected to this new web, 

The new flying car is a bicycle. :)  (At least here in Portland.)

> along with my 24-hr non-invasive body
> probes 

Yeah he just zipped right by that one... I have no idea what this means, 
but it sounds troubling.  Probes?  No thank you.

> "If you're producing some information and it's not web-ized, it's not
> someway online and related and shared to everything else, it doesn't
> count."
> So, hey, if blip.tv hadn't posted this video on the web, would his
> talk have "counted"? 

Not on a global level.  I think it's about perspective.  You know that 
your book (for example) is going to get far more attention and sales if 
it is available and marketed online, rather than just in a bookstore.

> And certainly the coordinated moves in the global stock markets are a
> reflection of the web, not the fact that the most of the world
> standardizes on the US Dollar, holds significant US debt, is highly
> dependent on US consumption rates, (etc)

I don't know, but doesn't it seem like in the past, when one country 
suffered an economic breakdown, there was a lot less of a ripple effect? 
   This crash is different; is it globalization, or is it scale, or a 
combination?  And isn't the internet just the brain and nervous system 
of globalization?

> I can access perezhilton.com from Uganda.

Now you're just trying to scare me. :)

> And I replayed that portion about "Socialism 2.0" about 7 times 

I've listened to the talk twice and I missed that both times.  ???

> Wikipedia isn't "Socialism". Anyone can make an edit to a wikipedia
> page, but if it's not beneficial, it won't last. How do you know if
> it's beneficial? Because it either lasted or didn't last. Does this
> sound familiar to anyone? Wikipedia isn't centrally administered; it's
> fully competitive.[2]

Wikipedia... Wikimedia...

like evolt.org, embodies open source zeitgeist more than anything. It is 
more centralized than evolt.org is in some ways (they have a corporate 
structure), and less centralized in other ways (control of site content).

They also have a lot more money than us....

> These simply are not new ideas. There's the old visual presentation
> web, and we realized a long time ago that we needed to separate data
> and presentation (it's just that we keep coming up with new reasons
> why). What can you do with data? You can have multiple presentations,
> you can integrate systems, you can communicate across devices, you can
> generate knowledge. 

XML finally realizing its potential.  Getting smart about syndicating...

> Didn't mean to pick on your link, Erika. 

That's what it was there for.

> I'm sure the people on this
> list have some pretty interesting ideas about where the Web is going.

You would think...


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