[thelist] What's a Programmer To Do?

Jon Molesa rjmolesa at consoltec.net
Wed Apr 1 09:08:46 CDT 2009

I understand the pain and am personally moving away from Wordpress to
CakePHP for the same reasons.  Upgrading is such a hassle and I can't
run multiple WP installs off one code base.  With Cake I have the core
in a system-wide location, apps in another, and html in the public
folder.  I can symlink a specific cake version to just cake, or keep
certain sites running on a specific version of cake if I like.  Or I can
upgrade them all by just replacing the core folder, in my case recreate
a symlink.  It's nice, clean, simple, scalable and I get to write the
site/application specific code while not reinventing the wheel with each
project.  I get the level of control I'm seeking as well.  IMHO, Drupal
is not a framework and there's a huge deal of effort spent to my
customizable user interfaces.  I don't understand that really.  Once an
interface is set up to add/edit/delete data the only time the interface
should change is if the data definition changes.  It just seems like a
lot of configuration that I'd rather not do.  That specific issue make
it difficult to deploy Drupal code to an already running live site.  All
the manual configuration that was performed on the development side has
to then be duplicated on the live site.  Drupal is nice to get a CMS up
and running quickly, but in my experience, it's more work than necessary

*On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 03:22:44PM +0200 Fred Jones <fredthejonester at gmail.com> wrote:

> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:22:44 +0200
> From: Fred Jones <fredthejonester at gmail.com>
> Subject: [thelist] What's a Programmer To Do?
> To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> I started off some years ago programming in Perl and then switched to
> PHP (not on purpose really). Of course HTML/CSS/JS/SQL are "par for
> the course" in my business, which is making small to medium sized
> sites for individuals, small businesses and NPOs. I then fell into
> Drupal (not on purpose again) and have been working with that for
> maybe 2 years. Before that I did a half a year with CakePHP.
> I am getting mildly tired of Drupal. One reason is that I just learned
> about the upgrade and EOL issue (Drupal 5 will be EOL'd later this
> year meaning no more security updates. I didn't realize that when I
> built over a dozen sites with it in the past year or so). Second is
> that Drupal is a lot about configuration and using available module
> code and less about just programming. I miss programming. I studied it
> in University and I like it but I don't do *so* much of it now. :(
> Could also just be that I am getting burned out of the same (Drupal)
> project I have been working on for almost a year. :)
> I was thinking of trying to switch back to CakePHP b/c the work there
> is inherently mostly just coding. But a friend said to me that, in his
> experience, the market is 3 to 1 in favor of requests for Drupal work
> than Cake work. I would also consider Ruby on Rails I suppose, but
> there would be more of a learning curve there.
> Anyway, I'm just wondering what people think--I *may* be ready for a change. :)
> Thanks.
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Jon Molesa
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