Fred, Not viewed traffic is bots, worms, etc (anything without a user viewing the page). I like the fact that Awstats removes this from the main numbers, since this doesn't reflect real visitors to the site. My issue with analytics is that you add extra overhead (both from a programming standpoint, and from a page load / bandwidth standpoint) to achieve something that is already being done for you (as long as Apache or IIS logging is available). Of the three that are on most hosting packages (Analog, Awstats, and Webalizer) I personally like AW stats the best. There is a lot more that can be done with it if you get into the config file. As for the raw logs, yes you would have to use an app to analyze them for you. They can be useful if you are looking for something that the stats app doesn't tell you, like the IP of some bot that ignores directives, or referral spammers, etc..., so that they can be blocked! HTH, Rob -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Fred Jones Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 8:37 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Stats I wrote to my hosting support and said: For site X, Webalizer shows: Total Visits: 2,698 Total Pages: 10,395 for September. But Awstats shows: Visits: 629 Pages: 6,353 for September. They said "The main difference is that Webalizer displays charts by calculating hits for all HTTP response codes. Awstats excludes results for the traffic "not viewed" by the visitors, and this causes the difference." Does this make sense? What does it mean traffic which is "not viewed?" Another site shows Visits/Pages 984/1877 in Webalizer and 319/651 in Awstats. At least the difference (of a factor of 2-4) seems consistent. :) Perhaps I should be using Google Analytics? They also said I could download and analyze the Apache logs myself, but I suppose I would still have to rely on a package like Webalizer or Awstats. Any information appreciated. Thanks, Fred -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !