Lisa, The reason IE screws up is because it interprets elements differently. Read this article: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200612/internet_explorer_and_the_css_b ox_model/ I use suggestion 3, conditional comments for all websites that I create now. You can tweak the CSS for each version of IE, since they all suck in different ways. I will be interested to hear why others use UL for menus. I do it because it is a convenient way to style a group of the same elements without having to use a separate div for each element. Nan -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Birdie Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:06 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] css menu problem Hi, Sorry to post here, but have tried sending to the css-discuss list and its not getting through. I'm a newbie when it comes to css and positioning. I have two problems that need looking at if anyone can help. They both concern the menu bar. Page is here: http://www.koolfish.com/test/index.html Css is here: http://www.koolfish.com/test/css/mainstyles.css 1. In IE there is a gap between the red nav bar div and the gold donations div which I can not seem to eliminate. 2. Is it possible to align the the red menu items to the right in the red menu bar and if so how do I do that? On a side note, Am I correct in building the menu as a <ul> ? Should my donations link be in its own <ul> or is that fine just to leave as text? Why do you use a list for a menu when it's a menu and not a list? Thanks in advance. Lisa -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !