You could still use Renoir's steps to estimate what it should have cost. Plus... design, documentation and client communications. If you want solid ammo, you might just contact the people who built those apps and ask them to tell you. Or at least share a range. On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Dan Parry <dan at shaded.plus.com> wrote: > Hi Renoir > > Thanks for the input but my issue here is that I've already built the system. It's a long story and basically it's a kind of manual as to how to accidentally rip yourself off > > I'm looking for ammunition. I'm seeking to reaffirm that my ridiculously low fee is ridiculously low > > I'm definitely storing your suggestion for use in the future! Thanks > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Renoir B. > Sent: 05 February 2012 20:53 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] Probably stupid question > > Hello Dan > > I would suggest you do the current exercise... it is roughly what we do to make an estimate: > > It is a 6 step process. > > We, generally take at least a day or two only to answer this question. > > > 1.* List types or rights* (I refer it here as "contexts") > i.e.: anonymous user, account holder (basic usage), account administrator (can manage many account holders), application administrator... > > 2. * List types of things you want to do with it *(I refer it here as > "actions") > i.e.: user profile, user preferences, search within users, search within posts, user posts... > > 3. *Separate possible actions for each types of rights* > i.e: anonymous > can view user posts > can register > > 4. *Do not forget those "it should be included"* such as: > - lost password > - reactivate account > - delete account (or disactivate) > > 5.* State WHERE you want your site to be used* from/onto 1. Only web... EVER. And I don't care about mobile/tablet users. (aka. How we were doing sites a few years ago... or aka. Before the "*responsive > design*") > 2. Web with possibility of a native mobile application OR a > ("Windows"/Linux) Desktop application (would require a webservice/RESTful interface to scale) > > 6. Spread numbers > Here are very usefull columns: Database schema, Functionality > architecture, Unit testing, Service class, Functionnal testing, > Deployment testing, Client approbation, Project management > > *Lastly:* > - On each columns of step 6, you can adjust by hours and most of it can be used the first time it is mentionned > - Each step is crucial > - You have three choices in application development if you are not developing it: You pick two: Good, Fast, Quality. > > > *My observations/experience:* > - Quality software is hard to be done cheap. > - Better see it as a prioritization and develop by phases and budget > - If it's to re-create something existing... what will be YOUR differentiation factor? > > > > > -- > *Renoir B* > *vp* > Evocatio Solutions technologiques <http://evocatio.com/> // > > Evocatio is pround member of l'APELL <http://apell-quebec.ca/> and W3Québec<http://w3qc.org/> > > > 2012/2/5 Dan Parry <dan at shaded.plus.com> > >> Hi guys >> >> I was just wondering how much a piece of custom software like Mazuma >> or Envirofone would cost. You know, as an estimate. Also how big do >> you reckon the team that built/maintains it might be? >> >> I'm sorry if seems like a daft question but I do have good reasons for >> asking >> >> Thanks guys! >> >> Dan >> -- >> >> * * Please support the community that supports you. * * >> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >> >> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and >> archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, >> evolt ! >> > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt !