[Javascript] ADMIN: For Postings rejected as Non-members

[David Merchant]

There is a problem that will affect some JavaScript list members. It is a 
problem caused when eGroups was bought out by Yahoo! groups.

On eGroups the JavaScript list was merely being "mirrored" there, people 
could not join the JavaScript list via eGroups, they could only view posts 
via a Web interface and also the archives. However, when Yahoo Groups 
bought eGroups, they, without asking me, changed things so that people 
could also "subscribe" via Yahoo, acted as if the list was being hosted by 
Yahoo. It is not. Never has been. Since the list is also being mirrored by 
Yahoo groups, people can post to the list and it looks like they are 
subscribed to the list. But they aren't. Not through the real list. They 
are subscribed to the mirroring. So when I made it so non-members could no 
longer post, those who subscribe via Yahoo are being blocked.

I have tried for _years_ to get this corrected. It causes subscription 
problems, makes it difficult for me to help some members, and is an area of 
posting to the list that is not controlled or affected by any list settings 
I make to the list. Yahoo does not have me as a list owner or administrator 
for my own list via their mirroring (after they bought eGroups and made 
changes to the list, I was no longer recognized by the mirrored part of the 
list as the list's owner). I can not unsubscribe people manually or 
otherwise help JavaScript list members who signed up via Yahoo. Yahoo has 
ignored all my repeated attempts to correct this.

Right now, those who signed up via Yahoo groups will have to unsubscribe 
and resubscribe to the list.

For those who subscribed to the Javascript list via Yahoo Groups (formally 
eGroups), here is how to unsubscribe:

To unsubscribe via email:

 From your email program, send a blank message to: 
javascript-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com

To unsubscribe via the Web:

* Sign in to Yahoo! Groups and go to the My Groups page.
* Click on the Edit Message Settings link at the top of the page.
* Look for the group you wish to unsubscribe from, and select Unsubscribe 
from the pull-down list on the right.
* Click Update to save your changes. The group will no longer be listed on 
the My Groups page, and you will no longer receive messages.

Note: If you own a group, you must first give up your ownership in the 
Members section of your group before you can unsubscribe on the My Groups page.

To then subscribe to the real list and not the mirroring part of it: visit 
https://lists.LaTech.edu/mailman/listinfo/javascript or send a message with 
the word `help' in it to the request address, 
javascript-request at LaTech.edu, for further instructions.

I apologize deeply and greatly for this. I am forced into preventing 
non-members from posting because of the JS-Jive fiasco, that was a _major_ 
problem for me to resolve, I was lucky that the other list owner was so 
willing to quickly work with me. I will once again try to convince Yahoo 
groups to fix the problem, to either be JUST a mirror (no signing up of 
people to the list as if the list is hosted by Yahoo), or to not mirror us 
at all. I didn't have this problem when it was owned by eGroups.

TTFN,
David

Director of Integrated Technology
CATALyST
Louisiana Tech University
PO Box 3179
Ruston, LA 71272
Tel: (318) 257-4772
Fax: (318) 257-3852
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