[Theforum] Re: [*dmin] #evolt on IRC

[.jeff]

matt,

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> From: Warden, Matt
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> .jeff wrote:
> > the channel has our name on it.  i don't think it's
> > too much to ask that it properly represents us.
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> Personally, I don't think it's too much to ask to have
> a laid-back, real-time place to chat that isn't hindered
> by doing every single thing "properly" and without humor
> that *might* be misconstrued by someone.. [...]
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i never said it had to be without humor -- not once.  i also didn't say it
had to "proper" (whatever that means) all the time.  there are just some
things best left alone.  imo, the topic is one of those things.

i'm only asking that if it has our name on it that we represent ourselves
properly.  giving an open channel with our name on it a topic that's a play
on our tagline is not, imo, funny.  it might be if it were a closed channel
and all the people involved "get it".  however, it's not a closed channel.
it's open to anybody that wants to join.  suppose someone gets their
introduction to evolt.org through this channel.  i highly doubt they'll get
the "joke".

i also highly doubt they'll get the current topic -- what seems like a rant:

*** Topic of #evolt: No more funny topics.

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> [...] to have a place to chat with X-number of people in
> the room and not have it logged and archived for
> everyone to see. And, you're damn right that's because I
> have stuff to hide.
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if you don't want the world to see it, don't talk about it in a public
channel.

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> I only feel comfertable talking about certain things in
> my personal life with people like dan, michele, garrett,
> etc., not with Joe Googleuser. That should be okay.
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and it is ok.  the #evolt channel isn't the place for that though.

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> I shoudn't have to create a separate room with ICQ or
> something so that it isn't publically archived.
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no?  what about casual joeuser just popping in?  you just going to go idle
until he leaves?  that leaves a great impression too.

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> The argument that it should be archived like everything
> else on evolt doesn't make sense.
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to you

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> That's why this thing came to be: it's a safe place to
> discuss things with the x-number of people who are in
> the room.
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logging and archiving does not make it an unsafe place.  all it does is
create accountability.

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> If it's just like everything else on evolt, what's the
> point of having it?
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huh?

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> I like the humor.
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i like the humor too -- where appropriate.

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> I like the tight sense of community that makes it seem
> safe to talk about certain things.
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don't you mean you like the fact that you can say whatever you want without
having to be accountable to someone for it later?

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> And I use it often. Most of you don't. Please don't mess
> up this thing that I use.
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but, it doesn't belong to you.  it belongs to the community.  some of the
members of the community are concerned about it.  for example, how do i know
that someone won't change thebot's description for my irc nick to something
libelous or defamatory?  answer ... without it being archived in some
fashion i won't know -- and that's wrong.

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> Personally, i think it's very rare that conversations
> in that room are anything but "so how's your day" kind
> of stuff. The harsh words that some people seem to have
> popped in on are rare occurances...
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i've popped in plenty of times to see harsh words and they started before i
got there.

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/