Same as Jeff's design; includes text (upper right): "The international community for web developers. Read. Discuss. Learn. Test." If you want to keep those 4 words unique to the fists image, I'll dump those and just keep the tagline. I think it's important to define evolt.org wherever possible. http://members.evolt.org/isaac/evolt/mousepad.jpg isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au