i forgot about the whole browsers.evolt.org server rotation thingie... i absent-mindedly tried to log in via FTP to upload Safari and, well, dinna work... open to suggestions, or william, if'n you wanna post it... -- my latest book project: Web Graphics for Non-Designers http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151159/evoltorg02-20 ISBN: 1904151159