Madhu Menon noted: >>At 19:29 02/08/2004, William Anderson wrote: >>>Any objs to using tinyurls? >>He's a bigot when it comes to tiny urls. :) Hi Madhu, I think I might be too. ;-) Tiny urls are a good idea ... I like them myself ... but they are not a foundational element of the architecture of the web. They appear to be a service made available by a few dedicated hobbyists. This article is a bit old: http://www.zdnet.co.uk/print/?TYPE=story&AT=39118754-39020415t-20000024c But I think it points to the fact that 'TinyURL.com' is just one young guy in Minnesota with a good idea. There is no guarantee that next week or next year he won't get tired of fussing with the spammers or footing the expense and just shut everything down. Tiny urls implemented through an evolt table and redirect would give us control over the longevity of the link. I think that's a better way to go. RonL.