well i found an ssh telnet client for the mac [nifty telnet http://andrew2.andrew.cmu.edu/dist/niftytelnet.html] but i cant seem to find any info on an ssh FTP client for the mac. does anybody know anything? btw i tried searching thelist archives and got this ;-P Not Found The requested URL /cgi-bin/htsearch was not found on this server. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apache/1.3.12 Server at lists.evolt.org Port 80 Regards, G e o r g e D o n n e l l y George at LetsJapan.com http://www.LetsJapan.com/ Share Your Experiences, Learn From Others' !