You can have your cake and eat it, too, if you used a border- and width-styled div, and place your (unstyled) layout table within. Tony K Bounds wrote: > ...I can remove height: auto. Unfortunately I needed the width declaration to > constrain the proportions of the border to properly encompass the table... Cheers, -- Heather Quinn hgquinn at attglobal.net http://pws.prserv.net/windyhill