This goes into a bigger issue, but I don't think good UI/ interactive web design should disable the core functionality of the web. Underlines mean links, which mean "click here". You never need a to tell a person to "turn this knob" or "press this button". It is a button or a knob, I know to turn it or push it. Same concept with underlined links. It is underlined, I click it. There may be users who do not understand the fundamentals of how to use the web. There is certain (small) learning curve associated with learning to use it. No search engine uses "click here to visit this site", not even AOL. We all learned at some point how to use push the buttons to dial a phone, or turn the knob on the stove to heat my soup. My stove and phone don't have "push here to dial" or "turn this to heat" labels. I should never need to *tell* a user what she needs to do - the design makes it obvious. Navigation and images meant to be clickable should be obvious. If not, then I suggest that means a poor design. It may be pretty, but if pretty is all I want, I'd read a magazine. Chris Evans chris at fuseware.com http://www.fuseware.com PS - I have a lot of respect for the head lemur - this is not meant to reflect on his design or usability skills in any way : -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of the head lemur Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:16 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Click here > Am I the only one who thinks the words "click here" on a web site are > redundant and stupid? I'm in a constant battle with my "creative" folks > about the use of the words "click here". I think we should link the > appropriate related word, but they insist on "click here". I can't find any > links or resources talking about the proper way to link, though. Not stupid Not Redundant.... but transparent. As we build sites and branch out into more sophisticated techniques, with their spotty support, one of the first things we usually kill is the underline. A lot of us cut our teeth on the CCS hover and underline:none properties.. advertisers note that Click Here is an action word and is more likely to be used. A whole page of click here is silly, but a focused use usually brings the desired result. remember that over 50% of the folks surfing have been at it less than a year. If your navigation is not real clear or you have a deliberate path you would like your visitors to take... Click here is a viable design tool.. the head lemur-alan herrell http://www.lemurzone.com Member Evolt.org http://www.evolt.org Member Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !