> Anyway, I think I'll email Joe Clark and see what he's up to. hi marlene you know him? he lives here in toronto, and the last i heard (on, ahem, another list), he was working on http://www.contenu.nu/.... contenu.nu principal Joe Clark boasts 389 published articles. You can look at a full listing of those available online (over 200, on various business and recreational topics) at the obsolescent old site (http://www.joeclark.org/fullcontents.html). rudy r937.com