While we're on the topic: For the Apple site, Steve Champeon, who I think many of you know, wrote the most complete browser sniffer I've ever seen. He was doing testing for days. If you're interested, you can see what it can do here: http://developer.apple.com/internet/_javascript/internetdev-sniffer.html and read about it here: http://developer.apple.com/internet/_javascript/sniffer.html -j