[thelist] Tip o'the day (x2)

mccreath mccreath at ak.net
Fri Feb 16 08:50:35 CST 2001

> Oi!  I'm not playing advocate here [ ... snip ... ]
> I just figured it was an interesting take.
[ ... snip ... ]at what point
> do we decide to pull the plug on IE4 and NN4?

At the point that you decide the people using those browsers aren't
necessary for your site to function (that function could range from "make
money" to "make a point" to "make me happy"). ALA/Zeldman made that choice.
He knows who his audience is (developers) and that they are likely to have a
newer browser. FWIW, I'm planning on using my members.evolt.org space to run
just this kind of experiment. (well, and to play with new scripting

Or at the point that a new browser can be pushed down the network onto a
user's machine so you can count on that person having the capability.

> The main reason I don't think that reference
> to evolt.org is relevant here is this:  people
> did the work on making that site work with
> 'relic' browsers.  In a commercial context, that
> would involve a client dedicating billable hours
> to the job.  These days, that almost certainly
> involves an ROI in negative numbers.

Yeah, but those hours were really not all that high, in elapsed time. I
don't know if anybody tracked hours, but I would hazard a guess that the
group of people that built the new evolt site could do the same thing for a
commercial client with a very reasonable ROI.

> WSP are arguing that v4 browsers should be thrown
> into the 'relic' category.

And so should 1978 Dodge Colts, but people still drive em.

> FWIW, I don't think that Moz is old enough or
> robust enough to support that argument yet.

Amen to that. And there are people out there who will fight tooth and nail
against using a Microsoft product.

> <caveat>There's no excuse on not supporting
> 'accessibility' platforms, granting that
> whole area an exception to the discussion
> IMHO</caveat>

Amen, again, brother. Say it loud! :)


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