sgd, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Scott Dexter : : That's the basics. I know there's a way : to detect if java is turned on, what about : javascript? Is it possible to determine : if it is on? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ sure you can. think of it from a user interaction perspective. it's as easy as this: <a href="make_your_time.html" onClick="location.href='all_your_posts.html'; return false" >'zig' off</a> good luck, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org