Try this one: http://www.scintilla.utwente.nl/asdfghjkl (Any random string of characters will do; any unknown page at the site will bring it up.) Have fun, Arlen Chief Managing Director In Charge, Department of Redundancy Department DNRC 224 Arlen.P.Walker at JCI.Com ---------------------------------------------- In God we trust; all others must provide data. ---------------------------------------------- Opinions expressed are mine and mine alone. If JCI had an opinion on this, they'd hire someone else to deliver it.