martin, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Martin Kuplens-Ewart : : cross-platform, cross-browser, happy-clappy, : no-plugin. :P :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ no such beast. sorry. if you want it to work in as many instances as possible, you're going to need to use a plug-in -- especially if you also want to tie it to an event. beatnik has the most pluses to it that i've found. go to their site. do some research. i'm sure you'll find alot of things about it that you'll like. thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org