[thelist] Old Browsers old Software, cut bait and move on.
aardvark
roselli at earthlink.net
Thu Jul 12 00:40:23 CDT 2001
> From: "Keith" <cache at dowebs.com>
>
> Good point, tell Tom Edison, Al Bell, and Tim Berners-Lee they
> were idiots for "creating an item and then having to teach people how
> to use it". Shame on them for thinking thoughts that everyone has
the phone was brand new... what's so new about your site?
hypertext was brand new, are you not using it? the light bulb? is
your site navigation and content *that* revolutionary that you would
compare it to a light bulb?
no, it's a *web* page, and people have certain expectations, certain
usability rules still apply, and old-school marketing tactics about
customer loyalty still rule...
don't insult 'em, don't kick 'em out, and keep 'em happy... simple
goal, don't lose sight of it because it's easier to code one way over
another... learn another way to do it, it's pretty damn easy...
> never thought before! What the hell is this world coming to when
> progress cannot be held off by a grandma and her NN3.02?
she's not stopping progress... she's helping ensure that we don't
leave her in the dust as we push the bounds... yes, it can be
done...
> Who on this list still programs BBS access? Who will still be
i never did, and you know that's the case with probably 90% of the
people here, so it's kind of a loaded question... who here is still
hand-stringing the carbon filaments in their light bulbs? it's just as
silly a question... BBSs aren't the web...
> "degrading gracefully" for NN2.02 in 2009 when it's 15 years old? Does
> anyone here still drive a crank started automobile? The question of
> leaving old browsers in the dust is simply a question of "if not now,
> when; if not here, where". The time will even come when none of us
> remember how to code that old dead language named HTML.
and when HTML is dead, so will be the older browsers... but until
then, if i'm still outputting HTML in 2009, guess what, my attempt
to build pages that are accessible (speech browsers, for example)
will probably ensure NN2.x users can use a site, even if it don't
look quite right...
will things in 2009 be so different? who knows... i don't really care
because it's a silly prospect... it doesn't help me build good sites
now...
> Don't let the "holier than thou" responses to your post get to ya
> Brian, change happens, they'll get over it. And hey, I refuse to open
> IE unless I'm paid damned good money to do so. I'm a loyal Netscape
> fan, but I'll get over it....
they aren't holier than thou, when he framed his thoughts in a very
specific light, nobody disagrees... when he argues that his opinions
should be our mantra and they are applicable to all sites and
developers who don't think that way are idiots, well, he's gonna get
his frame re-aligned...
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