I think you'll find that the only way to get that information is by analysing the [element].top attribute in Javascript, which points to the CSS setting (or returns null if there is nothing set). Regards Mark Howells Working in a Winter Wonderland http://www.mark.ac > Von: AtdtXav <atdtxav at yahoo.com> > Antworten an: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Datum: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:07:03 -0800 (PST) > An: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Betreff: Re: [thelist] javascript question (easy?) <-- not so easy > > All I need is the actual, real position of an element, not a > position listed in a stylesheet.