yeah, that's one huge pain in the ass (imnsho) with ASP. you can't access output params like that. you have to use the parameters collection. http://www.google.com/search?q=asp+%22stored+procedure%22+%22output+para meter%22 hope this helps, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -- Does indeed. More or less what dex said, but in more detail. Looks like I've got some reading to do. Thanks. joel