Hi evolters, Check this out for a tour de force: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~deis/Clock.htm I have to say, apart from the mouse trapper (one of my pet hates) it's an interesting and skilful piece of work... Impressed me, anyway! Anyone throw any light on who did it? Tony [ZambaGrafix] <websites that work> tel: +61 2 9953 4425 fax: +61 2 9909 8534 email: ajp at zambagrafix.com http://www.zambagrafix.com