[thelist] RE: [ - Examples of Importing XML into Netscape or Mozilla? - ]

Peter Thoenen eol1 at yahoo.com
Wed May 22 18:32:01 CDT 2002


Maybe I am missing something here but what does any
web browser have to do web applications or the way
they are designed (other than the visual client
frontend).  I routinely develop web applications that
work in any browser the client wants to use whether
its Lynx, IE, Moz, or some wierd custom perl browser
for Amiga (if such exists :).  As long as the browser
supports HTTP1.0 my applications will work.  I just
don't see where you are coming from stating Mozilla
hurts web developers..since I don't see how in any
they the interop.

Note: I do not consider Web Designers to be web
devolpers.  Web developers build web applications, web
designsers build sites.

>From a web designer point... Mozilla is way more
friendly to web designers.  IE needs to get its IE /
Windows tags  out of its *ss.

-Peter


--- Michael KImsal <michael at tapinternet.com> wrote:
> Haag, Jason wrote:
>
> >
> >>From my reading on several developer discussion
> boards during the past
> >several months,
> >a lot of people are referencing these examples.
> >If NS ever wants to reclaim it's share of the
> browser market aside from the
> >AOL browser incoporation/conversion,
> >they should play the propoganda game or at least
> demonstrate some easily
> >implemented examples for developers.
> >
> >
>
> They won't.  There are some basic XUL functionality
> (you know, that
> stuff that
> Mozilla-lovers have been touting as the MS killer?)
> that simply won't work
> without having to manually CLOSE the browser, locate
> some obscure prefs
> file, edit it (with currently undocmented stuff)
> then restart.  NO ONE will
> do that, and if the developers can't make such basic
> stuff on by default
> NOW
> (during testing) they'll never make this stuff on by
> default for
> production.
>
> The primary people motivated into working on Mozilla
> are doing it because
> they love to adhere to standards, not out of a love
> of making a great
> browser.
> They generally think that implementing standards
> *will* make a
> better browser, but the 'great browser' part is
> secondary to great
> standards.
>
> Things that are painfully obvious to anyone who
> works with web applications
> are still broken.  The people writing Mozilla can't
> be using it to write
> web applications.   We wouldn't buy cars from
> engineers who either
> didn't or couldn't drive, yet we're expected to use
> browsers written by
> people
> who don't understand the basics of web applications?
>
> Also, reclaiming marketshare from MS is, I think,
> the last thing
> of Mozilla developers' minds.  It's too easy for
> most people to revel
> in the 'victim' role.
>
> Oh, and yes, if it shows up the headers, I'm writing
> this in Mozilla's
> mail program,
> because it's the only thing under Linux that works
> with my IMAP account.
>  I'm
> trying to go a week without using Windows for
> anything (day 2 so far).
>
> :)
>
> Michael Kimsal
>
>
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