[snip] Does anyone know of a mailing list for the discussion of advanced PHP topics? I'm on the PHP general list but that's a pretty high-traffic lists and the topics covered are pretty broad. The PHP developer list is for developers of PHP rather than developers using PHP. If there isn't one around, would anyone be interested if I set one up? [/snip] Can't you set one of these up easily at egroups or something like that? I subbed to a PHP-OOP list ----- php-objects-subscribe at egroups.com or subscribe in this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/php-objects/join ----- which has had very little traffic in a the time since I have joined. Just a thought... Jay