For your information: it turns out to be quite easy to switch box models in Mozilla and Explorer on Mac. If you choose to go with the Microsoft box model (width applies to the borders of a box and everything inside it), you can easily switch Mozilla to this model. See http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/css2tests/index.html?box.html for the full story. ppk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com