holy coincidence, batman i just happened to be elsewhere, and followed a link to this excerpt from the new glasshaus book "usable shopping carts" http://wdvl.internet.com/Internet/Commerce/ShoppingCart/ and followed the link from there back to http://www.glasshaus.com and lookie what the latest entry on their home page is!! neat, eh? and all within the last half hour <tip type="validation"> check out the redesign at http://validator.w3.org/ </tip> rudy