My suggestion would be just to stop helping him... Period! No more code or support. Eventually he will run up against changes that will have to made or a client wanting more than he can handle and he is history. I wouldn't go so far as to knock or deface his sites, cuz really and truly it is your work and you would be discreating your work. I would place a disclaimer in small print on my own website possibly warning clients and expressing your concerning of other developers copying your material...but don't name names. I will all come out in the wash. The best thing is to do nothing. Really absolutely nothing! No help, no support, nadda. The message will come across loud and clear. Just my 2cents. debbe -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of David Bindel Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 5:04 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Site Copycat (Special Circumstances Involved) Hello thelisters, I know that this topic comes up here every now and then, and it can sometimes be annoying and get off-topic, but I believe my case is a little bit out of the ordinary as far as site copying goes, so if you will, please hear me out (and respond if you have any advice!) My site (www.DavidBindel.com) has been copied by Kevin Naia (www.KevinNaia.com), a friend of mine. At first, I was trying to teach him how to use CSS, and I told him it would be OK if he used the same general layout from my site and changed certain aspects of it so it would not look like mine. I worked with him some trying to get it looking dissimilar to mine. Then he decided to copy all the content from my website as well, as you can clearly see on all the pages of "his" site. In a few places he has changed the wording slightly, but from reading most of the text you can see that it is generally precisely the same. I've talked to him about changing all the text on his site to something *original* that he wrote, but that has worked to no avail. So what is so unusual about this? Well, he's 12. And he knows (next to) nothing as far as web design/development go. He has made a single website for a client (www.greatlakehosting.com), and it is very obvious that the design was copied from not only my website, but also a design that I had made to demonstrate to a potential client (http://customleader.davidbindel.com). A few people have told me that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", but the big problem is that he does not how CSS or PHP works, so whenever he gets a new project he comes running to me for help because he has no idea where to begin. Then he copies what I have done, calls it his own, and gets money for it. He's pretending to be what he is not, and eventually it will catch him when he is unable to do what a client has asked for (without my help). I'm a supermoderator on the Evrsoft Developers Forum, and I posted a message regarding this at http://developers.evrsoft.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=10138#post1 0138 (watch for the wrap). Should I contact his hosting company about this blatant copying of my work? (we are hosted by the same company) Should I threaten him with legal action? (just threats, no action - I'm 16 can't afford a lawyer; he's 12) Should I link to my "fan sites" from my website? Should I deface his website? ;-) Should I contact his clients and tell them that their website is actually a copy? What else can I do? Thanks, David Bindel -- David I. Bindel Website Development dbindel at austin.rr.com www.davidbindel.com -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ Evolt.org conference in London, July 25-27 2003. Register today at http://evolt.org.uk For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !