super explanation, thanks richard > Having your key-words in URLs people link to you with makes a big > difference for search-engines. evolt does this e.g. http://evolt.org/article/Search_Engine_Friendly_URLs_Part_II/17/17171/index.html all our articles are indexed this way in search engines but wait, there's more ;o) long urls (caused by excessively long titles, but that's a different rant) will wrap in the body of most email messages so for "tiny url" purposes, use the short version e.g. http://evolt.org/article/foo/17/17171/index.html you can put anything you want there where the title is supposed to be rudy