Hi Joel, I've never seen a free program for creating SWF files but there are a couple of inexpensive ones that I've tried. Swish (www.swishzone.com) sells for 49.95 and has a demo version you can download. Coffecup Firestarter (www.coffeecup.com) sells for 49.00 and also has a demo vesion you can try. About 2 years ago I tried both and found the Swish software to be more reliable but both programs are not nearly as versatile as Macromedia's Flash MX software. As to Linux software for creating SWF, at the time I was looking for something 2 yrs ago I didn't come across anything, but that doesn't mean it's not out there. Your best bet I'd say is to download any trial versions you can find and see what works best for your needs. HTH, Merlene Blacha -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Joel Konkle-Parker Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:16 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] SWF w/o Flash I want to create SWF for my website, but I don't own Flash. Are there books out there that tell how to code from scratch? Other (free) tools that will allow me to do the same thing? Linux possibly, but not required? -- Joel Konkle-Parker Webmaster [Ballsome.com] Phone [662-518-1636] E-mail [jjk3 at msstate.edu] -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !