I'm basically on a fence when it comes to using CSS instead of tables. I freely admit that while, I'm learning a lot about the more advanced features CSS, don't have a complete grasp of it. I do see the advantages of using CSS rather than tables for layout - especially going forward, but I don't think, like some, that using tables in a pinch is a bad thing. In theory, I do see that tables are intended for tabular data, in reality, we often use the wrong tool for a task, simply because it works. At least I do. I know that screwdrivers are for putting in and taking out screws, but I find them very handy for taking the lid off a can of paint. Baking soda was intended for baking, but thanks to some creative thinking it has evolved into a product for doing all sorts of things. Coat hangers were meant to hang coats, but until the auto-makers changed the lock buttons on cars, they came in very handy for opening a car when you left your keys inside. I could go on, but I think you get my drift. That said, I have been working with CSS where I can and have the time to bang my head on the desk when things don't work the way I planned. About a year ago, I redid my personal site without tables. I've learned a lot in the meantime and I must go back and bring it up to dote. At 05:29 PM 10/11/2003, Josh wrote: >I theorize this is why soooo many tableless designs look like blogs and >typically do not have background texture (which if chosen well are not a bad >thing), borders, shading etc... many of the things print designers--who are >often involved with web projects--are used to and want to see on the >website. Maybe they do, because it's a place to start, but I don't think my site - http://www.cyber-kat.com/home/index.html looks like a blog. In fact, I designed it before I even knew what a blog was! Kath ... "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government." -Edward Abbey, naturalist and author (1927-1989) Established 1995 --> www.cyber-kat.com Dean for President in 2004!