> By following both of these rules, and within two days of > placing links > in my own journal to a new corporate website I've been working on, it > was listed right at the top of Google's results, without any > extra work > AT ALL; > > http://www.google.com/search?q=Gossweiler+Media > http://www.google.com/search?q=Jungfrau+Zeitung > http://www.google.com/search?q=bistrotel+brienz All good points, but remember that these are not very competitive keywords/phrases - a lot of other users will have to optimize their content (you gave 2 hints in your list) in order to achieve good ranking. You also gave the golden advice - "provide decent content." Content is the key - the tricks come and go and seem to go very fast these days. If you actually just provide content relative to the keywords/phrases in question and learn how to optimize said content you will do much better in the long run. We've done work in verticals like insurance and travel which are ultra-competitive and achieved first page, above the fold results in both and the irony is that if you play by rules you can do better than by "cheating." I am surprised no one mentioned paid performance (Overture, Google AdWords) in this string. While they are not tools for getting good organic search results, they are useful tools to get things rolling while you address the natural search issues - which takes longer, in most cases. Also don't forget paid inclusion. Except for Google all the engines have some type of paid inclusion service. While that does not guarantee ranking, it does mean you'll get into their index more quickly. Pax, Eric http://www.ettinger.net > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Mark Howells > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:06 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] "Notifying" search engines (was: > Cheating Google?) > > > Oh, and another point. The best ways to get a site listed in search > engines are; > > 1. Provide decent content, with plenty of legible text and > semantically correct headings (using HTML header tags). > > 2. All you have to do to get the site listed in search engines is to > place a link on an existing website, referencing the new site. > > By following both of these rules, and within two days of > placing links > in my own journal to a new corporate website I've been working on, it > was listed right at the top of Google's results, without any > extra work > AT ALL; > > http://www.google.com/search?q=Gossweiler+Media > http://www.google.com/search?q=Jungfrau+Zeitung > http://www.google.com/search?q=bistrotel+brienz Regards Mark Howells http://www.mark.ac/ -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !