Mark Kennedy wrote: > why don't you use one of these functions instead?: > > for TrueType fonts: > http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.imagettftext.php Not sure how I missed that, but it sounds like what I was looking for to start with -- thanks! Now if I can just figure out how to upgrade the PHP on my system to use it :-/ Thanks again, -- Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code.