>Don't forget it's not just large BCC lists that will get you blackholed by >ISPs. Some count the number of emails coming into their domain by SMTP IP >Address. And you if you bust through a certain threshold they will >blackhole your IP for some arbitrary time. No kidding!! Back in the day (last year) I was Ops manager for 1ShoppingCart.com, a big part of whose service is autoresponder and broadcast email functions; by early 2003 we averaged 200k emails per day. In spite of a good relationship with AOL and MSN, we still had to throttle our email rate to the big ISPs - and even then, sometimes the "door" would slam shut arbitrarily. But even when that happened, being able to track individual messages' delivery status was crucial. Not to mention the unsubscribe headers as you mentioned earlier. AFAIK a mail solution requiring BCC does not allow that. sbeam said: >I have a client whose opt-in ML is starting to get to the size to >trigger AOLs red lights. Who do you talk to to get on the good guys >list? Was is a difficult process? Not really. Do a WHOIS on aol.com. Call the # listed for Technical Contact. IFIRC they just want some business info, and will require that you include full company contact info (address, phone, etc) on each email. Maximillian Von Schwanekamp Websites for Profitable Microbusiness NeptuneWebworks.com voice: 541-302-1438 fax: 208-730-6504 -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Baratta [mailto:Anthony at Baratta.com] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:07 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] tips on avoiding "bcc"ing to avoid being a spammer At 10:29 AM 2/26/2004, Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > >thusly reducing outbound mail traffic... >Ah. That's the point that I missed. Thanks for that. Good to know. > > >Some mail servers may also be more optimized > >when reading a single message >Further means of reducing load on the sending server, then. Another good >point. > >Still, if you have even 1% (i.e. 100) of those 10000 messages get silently >blackholed because they were BCC'd, it's time to get a different bulk mail >solution. But thanks for the info! Don't forget it's not just large BCC lists that will get you blackholed by ISPs. Some count the number of emails coming into their domain by SMTP IP Address. And you if you bust through a certain threshold they will blackhole your IP for some arbitrary time. So going to a single user : single email solution is not a full solution. My client has a double opt-in list of 20K people. There are 4K AOL users, 12K Yahoo/Hotmail accounts. At this size we've had to work directly with these ISPs to make sure our mail gets through. Even then, it gets dumped at times because the end users don't understand what a white list is. Or are too lame to remove themselves from a mailing list they signed up for and report us to the ISPs abuse center. It's a running battle and we are caught in the cross fire. -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt !