Message from Seyon (6/7/2004 07:51 PM) >Message from Joshua Olson (6/7/2004 04:11 PM) >> >>I think the problem may lie in that you've broken what I consider the >>cardinal rule... never EVER put a set width on a div if you also specify any >>of border, padding, and margin. > >I think that's a pretty horrible cardinal rule to foist off on others. And here's another reason it's not a very good cardinal rule. "A floated box must have an explicit width (assigned via the 'width' property, or its intrinsic width in the case of replaced elements)." http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visuren.html#floats With further commentary at http://www.richinstyle.com/proposals/floatproposal.html#width http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/introduction.htm Essentially, your makeshift rule contradicts portions of the CSS spec. I'm sure it's not a problem for you cause you probably understand all this. Same shouldn't be assumed about everyone who reads your advice. regards. -marc -- Trinidad Carnival in all its photographic glory. Playyuhself.com http://www.playyuhself.com/